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Before we get into the deep stuff, let's
just give some basics.

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Remember, when you're answering these
questions, I'm not in the shot, and

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they're never going to hear my voice.

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Oh, okay.

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The first word that I would use to
describe Jeffrey Epstein other than a

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predator is mysterious.

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How did he become so wealthy?

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How did he ingratiate himself into the
exact right social circles?

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How did he get away without being caught
for so long?

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I never could have anticipated

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how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was.

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There's something deeply fucked up with
you.

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At least something. We know there are
things deeply fucked up with us. You

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get through in this film, right? Where I
come from.

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You don't kill my brother and walk away
from that.

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What are the Epstein files?

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The Epstein files are all the
information that the government has

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Jeffrey Epstein and his co
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Photographic evidence.

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Interviews of victims.

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Emails written to him.

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Text messages. Court documents.

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FBI reports.

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And it is much more expansive than you
had ever even imagined.

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People want to see names.

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They want to know who the sex
traffickers are. They want to know who

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pedophiles are. And they want vengeance.

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Do you know the names of powerful people
who have not yet been named publicly?

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Yes.

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Congressman Connor.

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Hello, I'm Grace Tobin from Australia.

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Why do you think it's a fight that has
united a very divided political spectrum

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here? You can't rape underage girls. You
can't cover that up.

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Trump opened up Pandora's box.

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He thought that he could crack it open
slightly and shut it. But the curse is

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not going back into the box.

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I don't understand why the president
fought it so hard.

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Releasing the Epstein files is about
revealing all of that.

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dirty, nasty, horrible things that
happened, why would he cover this up?

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I think he's protecting rich and
powerful men who participated in sex

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trafficking. Three million pages, 180
,000 images, the latest dump

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from the Epstein files after weeks of
political pressure.

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That moment created global shockwaves. A
day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir

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Starmer. Norway's crown princess is
facing intense scrutiny.

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Extraordinary news out of the UK. The
former Prince Andrew has been arrested.

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The Epstein files are part of the
Epstein story.

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You have to understand how the Epstein
files fit into what Epstein was doing

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the failures of the US government in
doing their job.

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The Epstein story has one man.

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At its center.

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One spider in the center of the web.

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But that web could not have been
constructed without complicity.

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Do you think you're the devil himself?

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No, but I do have a good mirror.

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We are going to turn now to the debate
in Washington over the release of the

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Jeffrey Epstein files. Today, a group of
survivors of the Epstein controversy

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will be here on Capitol Hill. Urgent new
calls for transparency from Epstein

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survivors, 24 of whom are now re -upping
their demand that Congress release all

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of the Epstein files.

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It's an honor to stand here for
something America is finally united on,

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immediate release of the entire Epstein
files.

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There's approximately 1 ,200 women that
were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and

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they say other men.

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They've wanted justice, and they fought
very hard for it.

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We are more than victims. We are
mothers, daughters, sisters, friends,

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will not be erased.

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Some of these women have been at this 20
years.

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Some of them had, I believe, almost
given up.

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But the fact that they were invited to
the capital of the United States to

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truth to power and that every media
outlet showed up,

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they're renewed in their efforts.

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This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in
1991.

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This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

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A lot of us, it was the first time that
we had spoken publicly.

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My name is Dani Bensky.

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This was me at 17 years old.

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So we were just kind of standing in
solidarity with each other and saying to

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world, like, there's more of us than you
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My name is Marina Lacerda.

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I was minor victim one. My name is Jenna
Lisa Jones, and I was only 14 years

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old. My name is Shante Davies. My name
is Laura Bloom McGee. My name is Haley

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Robson. My name is Anushka DeGiorgio. My
name is Courtney Wye. My name is Lisa

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Phillips. My name is Ashley Rubright,
and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein

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Ghislaine Maxwell.

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When you're a survivor of abuse from a
serial predator, you just have this bond

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with the other survivors.

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We understand each other like nobody
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It's been a tremendous mountain to move
to get here.

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It took an incredible outcry from the
public, huge political will, and it

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took the blood, sweat, and tears of the
survivors, and that's many, many tears

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from the survivors to get here.

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So we're just heading in to meet with
Ashley Rue Bright, who is a survivor of

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Jeffrey Epstein, and she's only just
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happened to her.

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We're this house here.

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Hi, Ashley. How are you? Good, how are
you? It's nice to meet you. It's so nice

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to meet you. Thank you so much for
having us. Of course. Oh, it's still

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Christmassy in here, isn't it? Yes.

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When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?

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So it was about 2002 to 2003, and I
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about 15.

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I was going to Summit Christian School.

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I was a cheerleader. I was in dance,
like jazz, hip -hop, ballet.

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I was working at a barbecue restaurant,
and one of my coworkers, he asked me one

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day in the restaurant if I would like to
give a man a massage for $200.

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I thought about it for a second and
said, sure.

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I just remember pulling into his house
in Palm Beach.

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And we were led into the kitchen.

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And then Sarah Kellen came in. His
assistant said it was time.

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And Sarah, she's the one that led me
upstairs.

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I didn't look around. I was just looking
down. So all I remember was the pink.

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carpet on the spiral staircase.

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She opened the door and said, all right,
I'll be back in an hour.

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I was shocked when I walked into the
bathroom.

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But then I calmed myself down, thinking,
of course he's naked.

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Because that's how people get massages.

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And I should just not be so shocked.

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He just kind of laid on the table.

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And then he told me how to massage him.

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Then he flipped over.

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Things got really way more inappropriate
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he asked me to take off my bra and

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to pull up my skirt.

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And he was touching himself

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the whole time. I was just trying not to
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He would grab me, grab my behind, and I

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was just trying to not be there, you
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at that time. And he finished and

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hopped up, and then Sarah came in and
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downstairs.

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I felt shot.

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And then I remember trying to
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It had to have just been like a flip, a
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control.

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I did go back one more time.

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The second time, it escalated.

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I just remember Jeffrey bringing over a
basket and...

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Asking me to pick one and asking me if I
knew how to use it. And he had me sit

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on the bathroom floor and he sat on the
edge of the massage table.

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And I remember what happened.

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A basket of sex toys.

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Yes, thank you for saying that. Yeah,
that's okay.

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So this was 2000.

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And these are all just like happy
messages.

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I read some of my yearbooks and it was
such a drastic change.

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Right after Jeffrey, the messages, even
my face, everything

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had started to just look darker.

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This one says, We had fun when you're
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mad. I was angry and I didn't care who
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the brunt of it at all.

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Yeah.

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I stopped cheerleading.

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I stopped dance.

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And I kind of went from like trying to
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Good to just not care.

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Did you tell anyone what happened to
you? Just my friend,

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Sean.

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But nobody else.

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I didn't think there was a story to
tell, really, you know?

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Mr. Epstein, is it true you were born...

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January 20th, 1953.

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Yes. Where?

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New York.

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Where in New York?

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Brooklyn.

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Hey, how are you? Pleasure to meet you.
Nice to meet you too.

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Thanks so much for doing this with us.
My pleasure, my pleasure.

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Adam, can you tell me a bit about
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Well, I've been a legal journalist for
close to two decades now, and the

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Southern District of New York was my
longtime beat.

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So you see a lot of cases of...

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national and international significance
going into that court, and one of them

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just happened to be Epstein's.

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We are in Coney Island.

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Coney Island, Brooklyn.

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We're right near...

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where Jeffrey Epstein grew up. And this
is actually the Seagate community in the

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distance right there, Jeffrey Epstein's
childhood home.

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Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing
in an immigrant community in Brooklyn.

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His father worked at the New York City
Parks Department. His mother worked at a

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school. And he had a younger brother,
Mark.

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He had a lifelong fascination with math
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it.

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This is the Dalton Prep School.

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It is where he got his first job.

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Even though he was a college dropout,
his first job was at a very prestigious

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school where he was a math teacher.

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One of the parents of a student
introduced him to the CEO of Bear

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named Ace Greenberg, where he got his
first job on Wall Street.

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We are on

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Street where Jeffrey Epstein made his
fortune.

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He was, by all accounts, very charming.

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Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his
life, make connections with people with

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money and power.

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He was able to get people to trust him
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He won the trust of billionaires like
Leslie Wexner, who gave him power of

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attorney. He won the trust of Leon
Black.

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who paid him hundreds of millions of
dollars, far above the market rate.

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And from there, there is a lot of
mystery, but we're getting a picture

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and more of him finagling people,
wheeling and dealing, and ultimately

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became fabulously wealthy.

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This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East
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and the famous lantern over the door.

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He had a massage room in there.

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He had the dining room where he
entertained.

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I mean, the photos really do tell the
story.

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Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in
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As the daughter of a media tycoon with a
British accent, she brought something

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that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have, access
to the elite.

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They socialized with politicians, with
big names in academia, finance, you name

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it. Whether it was the man known at the
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former President Bill Clinton.

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He had his private island in the U .S.
Virgin Islands, a ranch outside of Santa

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Fe, property in Palm Beach and in Paris.

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He was flaunting his jet -setting
lifestyle and his massive wealth.

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You're looking at me like you love me.

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I thought we... Okay, so now I'm walking
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the lily pond.

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I'm here on the beach by myself.

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This is my swimming pool, my beach.

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No one's allowed to dock here.

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The luncheon place.

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The nursery.

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On the point there is the library.

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So these are just my modeling pictures.

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Like when I started out, this is when I
was 17.

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I would send these to modeling agencies
to get started.

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I was a fashion model in New York, had
worked my way up since I was 15 or 16

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years old.

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So this was from the actual week I met
Jeffrey.

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The year 2000, and I had booked, like, a
really big job.

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Our agent at the time, Jeff, sent us to
Tortola on the Caribbean Sea.

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Tortola was a small island. There was
really not that much to do there. So the

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other model was like, you know, we have
a free day tomorrow.

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suggested we go see her friend, you
know, Jeffrey Epstein that owned an

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nearby.

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Yeah, we were both like maybe 22 years
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Spent the day just like playing in the
pool and the ocean and there I met two

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other young blonde girls.

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Went to dinner that evening and I met
Jeffrey Epstein.

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He was laser focused on me and...

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asking so many questions about my
childhood and my dreams and aspirations.

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I told him in that time that we shared
on the island that I wanted to be a Ford

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model, and I kind of built up this trust
with this man.

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Getting ready to go to sleep, there just
was a knock at the door, and one of the

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other young girls poked her head in and
was like, Jeffrey's ready for his

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massage now.

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And I'm just like, okay, well, you go
ahead. I'm going to bed.

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And she was just like, no, he said for
you to get the massage.

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Long story short, like, I just had to
go.

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And so I experienced, you know, sexual
abuse that evening from Jeffrey and the

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other girl that was there.

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I think when you're younger, you always
blame yourself. Like, what did I do? Was

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I flirting with this guy? Like, I went
home and I kind of wanted nothing to do

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with him after that.

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And a few months had passed, and he
called me.

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A lot of my modeling castings would be
here in Soho.

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Right up here, when I was walking right
up here, was where I got the call from

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Jeffrey.

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He was very brief and to the point that
he had remembered.

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You know, my goals and ambitions that I
told him on the island, that I wanted to

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be a Ford model, big dream of mine, and
that he knew the owner of the Ford

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modeling agency and for me to go over
there and meet with her.

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And I was just thinking whatever
happened to me on the island wasn't

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maybe he was trying to make up for it,
you know, by saying, oh, remember your

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goal. Well, I can help you out.

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During that time, were you ever abused
by Epstein again or?

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any men in his orbit so yeah i was
abused by him again and through his

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connections where he would send me on
auditions of things but back then i

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aware that i was trafficked

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Can you explain a bit more about how the
trafficking operation worked?

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Well, auditions are castings by Epstein.
So it's like, oh, let me just send you.

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My friend is casting a really big film
right now. And you're sent somewhere

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where all of a sudden your proposition
for sex and the people around you are

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enforcing it.

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Just thought it was the business. Just
thought I was going to a casting, an

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audition.

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Working, and that's kind of how some of
the older men were, just creepy, and I

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never connected it to a more nefarious
ring that involved modeling agencies and

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Epstein.

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There were hundreds of girls from the
Eastern European countries sent to

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sent to New York.

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You know, they were doing quite abusive
things to these models.

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It was like a well -oiled machine.

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Fast forward a few years later, I had a
girlfriend who was also involved in this

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Epstein world.

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She had came to me one evening and said
that Jeffrey had made her go into a room

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made to go have sex with somebody.

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And so she at that time was scared.

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I became scared and we kind of both kind
of moved out of New York at that time.

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And I never saw him again after that
because I was scared.

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Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse
happened globally.

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However, Palm Beach was the center, in
many ways, of the sexual abuse and where

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his crimes were originally investigated.

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Hey there.

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We're just driving around Palm Beach.

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Is there any way to get through or not?

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No, not. Is this closed?

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Yeah. Okay. All right. Just wanted to
check.

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Why is it closed?

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Because Trump's in town.

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So I'm Holly Baltz.

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I'm a retired investigations editor from
the Palm Beach Post, just newly

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retired.

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We, as in the Post.

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covered Epstein from the very beginning.

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I never could have anticipated how big
this case got to be.

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Palm Beach police first started
investigating Jeffrey Epstein when the

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stepmother of a ninth grader at Royal
Palm Beach High School reported that a

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wealthy man had molested her daughter in
March of 2005.

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This is the east -west route that goes
past Royal Palm Beach High School.

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You know, it wasn't just the one girl.

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Police found that a number of victims
were recruited here.

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They started interviewing more girls,
and every time they did, it was like

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peeling back an onion.

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Why don't you tell me from the beginning
how you met him?

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It was something in high school.

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Everybody was, like, trying to make
money.

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Did he get paid for taking you?

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Yeah, $200.

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Not only were the girls getting sexually
abused themselves, but he also offered

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to pay them if they'd bring their
friends.

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And these were girls who didn't have a
lot of money.

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During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal
investigation,

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Many of the survivors started finding
lawyers who were willing to bring their

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stories forward and file lawsuits.

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I first got involved in the Epstein
matter back in about 2006.

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I was working at a litigation firm here
in Palm Beach County, and a young girl

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walked into our office with her parents.

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and told a crazy story about a rich man
on Palm Beach Island that had paid her

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about $200 to go to the home and give
him a massage that turned into a

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explicit and inappropriate massage.

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Initially, I didn't quite believe her.
To be perfectly honest, it sounded

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incredible. But once I interviewed the
police detective that was conducting the

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investigation, I realized that this was
real.

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Michael Ryder was the chief of police
back at the time.

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Joe Ritteri was the lead investigator.

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Okay. And

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actually

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was my job to keep everything discreet.

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As police officers gathered the
evidence, Epstein put together a huge

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of, it was like a dream team, all really
well -known attorneys and

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attorneys who were very aggressive.

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It is widely reported that Jeffrey
Epstein and his legal team had some of

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victims followed by blacked -out SUVs,
you know.

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showing up at their houses.

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But they were also investigating the
lead investigator, Joe.

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And I asked to meet him.

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So he picked a Starbucks in downtown
West Palm Beach. And when I sat down and

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started talking to him, his head was on
a swivel and he kept looking around. And

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I said, what are you doing?

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And I'll never forget, he looks at me
and he says, you have no idea what

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doing to me.

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They had been digging through his
personal trash.

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And he said to me, I've never seen this
kind of an operation before.

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But the Palm Beach police, they were
very dogged in pursuing Epstein.

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We're police officers of Palm Beach
County, Florida.

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They kept amassing victims.

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Being the premises occupied or under the
control of Jeffrey Epstein, white male,

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date of birth, 1 -20 -53.

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When the first criminal investigation of
Jeffrey Epstein was going on, it had

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originally seemed like something that
could sustain an indictment with dozens

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counts, that Palm Beach police were
building a very strong case.

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But when the entire case was packaged up
and given to the state attorney, the

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state attorney here in Palm Beach at the
time decided not to file charges.

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Chief of Police Michael Ryder was so
upset at the lack of prosecution on the

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state level that he elevated this to the
federal level.

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The FBI was keen to prosecute in the
beginning for sure.

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And they found very much similar things
as Palm Beach Police, but new victims.

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And what came of that was a draft
indictment, 60 counts.

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However, this giant case that Palm Beach
police spent so much time investigating

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pleaded down to a slap on the wrist plea
deal after intense lobbying by Jeffrey

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Epstein's lawyers.

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The charges that they ended up bringing
were solicitation for prostitution of a

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minor. It's basically calling these
victims prostitutes.

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The deal was approved by then U .S.
attorney Alex Acosta and then kept

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from the victims.

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And I think that the sweetheart plea
deal was in many ways the original sin

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this.

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It was one of the most awful deals I've
ever seen.

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There isn't a plea deal before or since
that I've ever seen like this.

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It gave complete immunity.

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to not just Epstein, but it included and
not limited to potential co

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-conspirators Sarah Kellen, Adriana
Ross, Leslie Graff, and Nadia

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And so these are some of the women who
helped recruit other girls?

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Yeah, in the sexual pyramid scheme,
these were the people that were really

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the third level, right below Glenn
Maxwell.

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Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before
10 this morning. He pleaded guilty in

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open court.

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He agreed to serve a total of 18 months
in the Palm Beach detention facility.

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People who commit sex crimes against
minors go to prison for a very long

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Not Jeffrey Epstein.

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He was sentenced to 18 months in jail.

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He could get work release for 12 hours a
day, six days a week.

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He wound up being in a cushy jail where
he was the only person in that wing.

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He could go out, go to his office, take
a walk on the beach, do whatever he

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wanted during the day. That's no kind of
punishment.

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We had been litigating against Epstein
on behalf of one of my clients.

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He was being allowed out during days, so
we noticed Epstein for deposition.

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Could you please give us your name?

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Jeffrey Epstein.

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So I wanted him to realize I didn't care
who he was, what his power was, what

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his status was. I was going to ask him
the most embarrassing possible thing I

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could.

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Is it true, sir, that you have what's
been described as an egg -shaped penis?

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He hears me ask the question, watch him
look at his lawyers like, can you

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believe he's asking me this?

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I had been the first lawyer to ask him
any questions in the cases that had been

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filed. One witness described your penis
as oval -shaped, thin and small towards

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the head portion.

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See, he's angry. He's ready to walk out
the door, and then he sees that the

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attorneys are going to talk.

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That serves no other purpose other than
embarrass Mr. Epstein. It's just totally

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unethical. It's improper.

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The purpose of that question is how
could a 14 -year -old know what his

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part looked like?

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That question...

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was directly relevant to the claims in
the case.

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The deposition is terminated at this
point.

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Okay, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

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Shortest deposition I've ever taken.

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Ever. Ever. Wow.

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So he probably is feeling pretty
confident at this point that he's gotten

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with this.

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Pretty much, yeah. I mean, he had done
his deal, and now he was just getting

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through the civil cases thinking that it
was all over and all done.

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A few steps, a smile,

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and a wave to the deputy at the door. We
watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of

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jail. Epstein served 13 months of an 18
-month sentence.

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He's very happy that his jail sentence
is over and he can begin a new chapter

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his life.

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When Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail,
the fact that he was prosecuted, the

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that he was a registered sex offender,
didn't seem to stand in the way of his

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reentry into high society, wealth, and
power.

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The power and influence he had convinced
a lot of people to look the other way.

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Prince Andrew looked the other way.

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We also saw Bill Gates meeting with
Epstein despite his past.

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He was some sort of soothsayer,
apparently, to a lot of these men that

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asking him for advice.

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I think that a lot of people probably
knew that everything was not on the up

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up, but for whatever reason, they wanted
to be a part of his inner circle.

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I had a reporter who was covering
Epstein every step of the way.

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It was difficult to get people to pay
attention.

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They felt like he had served his time,
and there you go.

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Epstein's conviction wasn't even a speed
bump.

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I've been researching and writing about
child trafficking since 2002, 2003.

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I had this intuition that Jeffrey
Epstein was very similar to the network

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I'd investigated.

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And I just felt that something was
seriously wrong.

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So in 2012, I went down to Florida, and
I had the good fortune of getting

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the Black Book.

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The Black Book is just a list of Jeffrey
Epstein's contacts.

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has billionaires, some people in
showbiz, captains of industry,

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and multiple girls were in my book.

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I started talking to some of the girls,
and they told me that they'd been flown

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here or flown there, and then one told
me that she'd been flown to an island.

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So in 2012, I believe, Jeffrey Epstein
was running a network. And I

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also had the flight logs.

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So were these the flight logs just for
his private plane then?

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Yes. Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz,
Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers. I mean,

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were a number of very powerful people
that were flying with Jeffrey Epstein.

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And there were a number of girls on the
flight logs. And I assumed that...

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Some of them were minors.

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I worked on getting that story published
for three years,

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and finally Gawker stepped up and
published my work.

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The mainstream media just didn't want to
embrace it.

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00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:51,940
After that point, we would get glimpses
of information.

470
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:59,600
Virginia Giuffre, one of the Epstein
survivors from Palm Beach, had moved to

471
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,100
Australia after escaping Jeffrey
Epstein.

472
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,220
She claimed that she was trafficked to
then Prince Andrew when she was a minor.

473
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,060
She was 17 at the time.

474
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:16,080
Can you tell me about the photo that she
provided to a newspaper in 2011?

475
00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:23,400
Virginia Giuffre had produced a now
infamous photograph of her, then Prince

476
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,820
Andrew, and Ghislaine Maxwell.

477
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:32,040
Andrew claimed that it was a fake and
denied criminal wrongdoing.

478
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:38,780
The thing about Virginia is she'd been
with Epstein for a couple of years, and

479
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:43,740
he had taken her every place. So she was
pretty knowledgeable about his network.

480
00:38:45,310 --> 00:38:50,650
She was launching civil suits, and she
named Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine

481
00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:55,510
Maxwell as perpetrators, who trafficked
her to his rich and powerful cronies.

482
00:38:57,370 --> 00:39:02,210
But she wasn't being taken seriously by
the media.

483
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:10,350
Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively
bullied media organizations that tried

484
00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:11,350
under that rock.

485
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,100
Things remained kind of dormant for a
number of years until another story came

486
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:24,360
out of the Miami Herald and a reporter
that went back and looked at some of the

487
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,540
deals that were struck with Jeffrey
Epstein.

488
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,260
Julie Brown, her reporting really opened
up the case.

489
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,760
One second.

490
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,180
Oh, you're calling Julie?

491
00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:37,780
Good morning.

492
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,280
Good morning. How are you? I'm
wonderful.

493
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:47,760
I have a very pleasant Australian
reporter here in my office that would

494
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,180
to chat with you if you could give her
time. Hang on. Hi, Julie.

495
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,740
Yeah, I've been contacted by a lot of
people. Yeah, I can imagine.

496
00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:58,700
Yeah,

497
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,940
it could be a call, but this week is not
a good week. So we can talk about it

498
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:04,940
later.

499
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Yeah, sure.

500
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:23,060
Hey, Julie, I'm so glad we could make
this happen.

501
00:40:23,260 --> 00:40:24,260
Yes.

502
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,380
Persistence pays off, right? Yep, it's
okay, especially since you were willing

503
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:32,060
to come all the way to Philadelphia. I
thought, oh, my God, this girl's never

504
00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:34,180
going to give up. I might as well just
get it over with.

505
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,580
Tell me how you came to investigate
Jeffrey Epstein.

506
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,820
Well, I started investigating it right
before the election in 2016.

507
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,260
Most journalists...

508
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,460
in America knew, you know, something
about the Jeffrey Epstein case.

509
00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:56,160
Especially Epstein's sweetheart deal,
very lenient plea deal.

510
00:40:56,420 --> 00:41:00,620
And there was a lot of stories about how
did he get this deal? This doesn't make

511
00:41:00,620 --> 00:41:01,620
any sense.

512
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:06,920
But nothing that I could find really
showed me how he got away with this

513
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,700
And so I just started requesting the
records, not knowing where it was going

514
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:13,578
lead me.

515
00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:16,700
Somehow I got a list of almost 100
victims.

516
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:22,080
In the end, I had like four victims that
were willing to go and talk.

517
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,860
And in the middle, when I was doing
that, Trump nominated Alexander Acosta

518
00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:29,860
labor secretary.

519
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,140
I want to thank President Trump for the
privilege of serving.

520
00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:37,100
Acosta was the U .S. attorney in Miami.

521
00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:40,070
that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart
deal.

522
00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:48,330
So then I pitched a story that we would
go to the victims and ask

523
00:41:48,330 --> 00:41:53,470
them, you know, what they think about
the man that let their predator off the

524
00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:57,030
hook, who is now, by the way, in charge
of one of the largest government

525
00:41:57,030 --> 00:42:01,390
agencies in the country with oversight
of human trafficking.

526
00:42:03,110 --> 00:42:07,230
It was a high -pressure story because it
involved a lot of important people.

527
00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:11,370
It was going to be put online very early
in the morning.

528
00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:15,430
So we sort of braced ourselves, I guess
you could say.

529
00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:19,950
And at the time, that morning, there was
a funny story that was at the top of

530
00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:22,350
our leaderboard. My story was at the
very bottom.

531
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:27,210
And so I packed everything up. I
thought, that's it for the day. You

532
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:28,210
going to take the day off.

533
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:32,610
And I was getting all ready. And another
reporter said to me, Julie, look at

534
00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:35,650
this story. And it was going boom, boom,
boom.

535
00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:41,430
We are going to begin with a much closer
look at the disturbing case of Jeffrey

536
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:44,630
Epstein. Joining me this morning is
Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.

537
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:48,310
Investigative reporter behind the Miami
Herald. Julie Brown, let me ask you, set

538
00:42:48,310 --> 00:42:49,310
the scene for us.

539
00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:57,030
This story uncovered this underbelly of
society, of the rich and powerful, and

540
00:42:57,030 --> 00:43:00,050
what they were doing to people who were
less powerful.

541
00:43:00,670 --> 00:43:05,110
The Miami Herald series drops in
November 2018.

542
00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:15,670
It had such an impact that by July of
the following year, Jeffrey Epstein is

543
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:18,470
arrested and charged with sex
trafficking.

544
00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:25,210
Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been
arrested for alleged sex trafficking of

545
00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:29,730
young girls, and agents have been coming
in and out of his Manhattan mansion all

546
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:34,050
morning. Epstein is charged in a two
-count indictment. First, conspiracy to

547
00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:37,930
commit sex trafficking, and second, sex
trafficking of underage girls.

548
00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:43,610
beginning in at least 2002 and
continuing until 2005 at his mansion in

549
00:43:43,610 --> 00:43:44,830
and in Palm Beach, Florida.

550
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:51,150
I'm not going into any dealings with the
main justice. I will say that we were

551
00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:54,170
assisted from some excellent
investigative journalism.

552
00:43:56,110 --> 00:44:00,050
I just got a call from the news desk
saying we just got something over the

553
00:44:00,050 --> 00:44:01,970
that said that Epstein's been arrested.

554
00:44:02,310 --> 00:44:04,290
It's like, oh, you know, it's
incredible.

555
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:06,450
I was just, I couldn't believe it.

556
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:13,360
Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin. Thanks so
much for taking the time to talk to me

557
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,640
today. Sure.

558
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,420
When your brother was arrested, can you
tell me what that was like, that moment?

559
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:21,200
Jeffrey gets arrested.

560
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:26,440
You know, he spoke the night before. He
called me from Paris.

561
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,280
Just a normal, you know, what's new, how
you doing call.

562
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,460
And then he flies home the next day and
he gets arrested.

563
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,280
I wanted to be at his first court
appearance the next day.

564
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:47,700
He looked like such a small man, you
know, small, frail, you know, human

565
00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:53,560
Just looked lost, quite frankly. I don't
think he ever thought he was going to

566
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,560
be re -arrested.

567
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,640
Now, yesterday we were there in court.
His attorneys are arguing that Epstein

568
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,220
struck a deal with federal prosecutors
in Florida over similar crimes, granting

569
00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:06,260
him immunity after he pleaded guilty to
a lesser charge.

570
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,060
The U .S. attorney who struck that deal
is Alexander Acosta.

571
00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:15,980
At that point, the media started in
Washington asking Trump what's going to

572
00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:18,520
happen with Alexander Acosta.

573
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:19,840
Good afternoon.

574
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:23,920
I remember that Acosta did have a press
conference.

575
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,180
We believe that we proceeded
appropriately.

576
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:35,160
There was value to getting a guilty plea
and having him register.

577
00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:36,540
Thank you very much.

578
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:44,220
And I just remember listening to him
thinking, these are

579
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:45,138
all excuses.

580
00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:46,900
They don't work anymore.

581
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,280
And apparently it didn't work because he
then...

582
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:54,210
you know, resigned.

583
00:45:54,490 --> 00:45:58,550
And so I called the president this
morning. I told him that I thought the

584
00:45:58,550 --> 00:46:00,530
thing was to step aside.

585
00:46:02,010 --> 00:46:06,170
Finally, it seemed like the government
was actually taking this seriously by

586
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:09,910
charging Epstein with serious crimes,
sex trafficking.

587
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:14,290
And after that, other victims started to
realize, I'm not alone.

588
00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:20,550
When he was arrested, a lot of us
were...

589
00:46:21,070 --> 00:46:26,170
happy that there was a second chance for
possibly some actual justice, because

590
00:46:26,170 --> 00:46:30,570
what happened in 2008 wasn't justice or
him being held accountable.

591
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:37,150
And at that point, I reached out to the
FBI, and I was like,

592
00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:44,150
here's another one of us, you know, and
I want

593
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:45,490
to be a part of bringing him down.

594
00:47:00,940 --> 00:47:06,720
Jeffrey Epstein was staying at the
rather notorious prison where people

595
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:10,720
trial on serious offenses in the
Southern District of New York.

596
00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:17,000
The Metropolitan Correctional Center in
Manhattan is an environment completely

597
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,260
foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.

598
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:22,760
The conditions were filthy.

599
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:26,140
Rodents, cockroaches, all over the
place.

600
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,340
I agreed to represent him.

601
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,840
I met with him.

602
00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:35,500
But just before that, there was this
incident in which there was a suggestion

603
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:36,800
that he tried to commit suicide.

604
00:47:37,660 --> 00:47:43,060
The multimillionaire and convicted sex
offender is now on suicide watch after

605
00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:44,920
was found injured in his jail cell.

606
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,760
I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st
for about five or six hours.

607
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,540
He denied that he had tried to commit
suicide.

608
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:58,740
The story that he told about what had
happened was that the cellmate he had

609
00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:03,980
forced him to put a rope around his neck
and pulled it just to see the reaction

610
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:04,980
Epstein would have.

611
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,340
But he told the correctional officers
that he couldn't remember what had

612
00:48:10,340 --> 00:48:13,540
happened because he was afraid if he got
that guy in trouble that he would have

613
00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:14,540
trouble himself.

614
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:19,180
How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day
when you look back?

615
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:22,640
Good. I mean, again, he didn't like
being in the jail.

616
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:27,570
But he was adamant about wanting to
fight the case, and he was energized by

617
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:31,390
meeting. I think he thought he had a
strong legal argument, for example, on

618
00:48:31,390 --> 00:48:34,870
agreement that he had made that he felt
would have barred his prosecution.

619
00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:40,790
But nine days later, the last thing I
would have imagined at the time

620
00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:49,250
NBC News has learned that disgraced
financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead.

621
00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:54,850
Sources telling ABC News that accused
sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died

622
00:48:54,850 --> 00:48:57,670
suicide. It appeared that he had hung
himself.

623
00:48:57,890 --> 00:49:01,970
We're trying to figure out if he was
still on suicide watch.

624
00:49:02,730 --> 00:49:04,150
It was astonishing.

625
00:49:06,070 --> 00:49:11,240
This is someone who is being prosecuted
for historic crimes. crimes. The world's

626
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:16,420
attention is on this. How is this man
allowed to turn up dead?

627
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,120
And then the next thing I know, I hear
on the news that Jeffrey was found dead

628
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,120
from an apparent suicide.

629
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,000
At first, I had no reason to doubt it
because You know, he was in jail. He was

630
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,820
facing a long time in jail, potentially.
And I knew he wouldn't want to live

631
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:39,820
that way in jail.

632
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:43,420
So I had no reason to doubt him. I
accepted that he committed suicide.

633
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:48,080
The next day, I had to come back to New
York to identify his body.

634
00:49:48,380 --> 00:49:52,680
As a family member, I had the right to
have my own pathologist at the autopsy,

635
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,700
you know, just to see everything that's
done right.

636
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:56,600
I spoke to his brother.

637
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:00,920
I insisted that the person I consider to
be the top forensic pathologist in the

638
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,820
world participate in an independent
autopsy.

639
00:50:04,940 --> 00:50:06,800
So his name is Michael Bodden.

640
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:13,880
I was a medical examiner for the New
York State Police for 25 years and

641
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,560
did more than 20 ,000 autopsies.

642
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,820
In this instance, I was asked to attend
the autopsy that was going to be done

643
00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:24,820
the next day.

644
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:32,700
The history was that he was found having
committed suicide by hanging in his

645
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:33,700
jail cell.

646
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,500
When looking at the body, there was a
little odd situation there because the

647
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:44,080
ligature furrow around the neck was
horizontal.

648
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:51,280
In a suicidal hanging, the ligature mark
is usually up the high part of the neck

649
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,280
and goes upwards.

650
00:50:52,860 --> 00:50:55,500
And then the moment of...

651
00:50:55,720 --> 00:51:02,000
Surprise, there were three fractures,
two of the thyroid cartilage, which is

652
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,540
Adam's apple, and one of the hyoid bone.
In 50 years

653
00:51:08,540 --> 00:51:14,400
of doing this, I've never seen that.
That's much more common, a crushing

654
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,320
in the homicidal strangulation.

655
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:22,960
So I think at that point, there was
concern as to whether it was suicide as

656
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,460
thought or not.

657
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:31,860
So the medical examiner of New York City
who conducted it, she said that it was

658
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:33,620
inconclusive. She couldn't say it was
suicide.

659
00:51:37,780 --> 00:51:42,720
But then her boss, three or four days
later, changed it to suicide.

660
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,740
And then, okay, now all kinds of
questions start coming up, and we'll

661
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:51,740
there.

662
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:00,220
Barbara Sampson, the chief medical
examiner, and she was not at the

663
00:52:00,220 --> 00:52:03,180
so she comes up with the conclusion of
the suicide based on what?

664
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,820
Tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys
questioning whether his death was a

665
00:52:07,820 --> 00:52:12,820
suicide, saying they will even pursue,
quote, legal action to view the pivotal

666
00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:17,520
videos, if they exist as they should, of
the area proximate to Mr. Epstein's

667
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,840
cell. And it turned out somehow,
magically, the cameras malfunctioned

668
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,040
or was in a place where the camera
didn't reach.

669
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:30,920
So this is now a correctional officer
taking an inmate down. This is supposed

670
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,420
be Jeffrey Epstein now.

671
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:37,620
You're talking about August 9th at
almost 8 o 'clock in the evening.

672
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,620
August 10th is when he was dead.

673
00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:44,980
Do you think it's suspicious that
there's only this one camera angle

674
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,160
that that's the only image?

675
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:50,040
If that's accurate, then yes, I do think
it's suspicious.

676
00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:56,200
You might say coincidental that cameras
are malfunctioning around that time, but

677
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,460
pretty unbelievable.

678
00:52:57,940 --> 00:53:00,180
There were so many anomalies that night.

679
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:04,880
His cellmate had been taken out. The
guards were sleeping.

680
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:07,620
The cameras were down.

681
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:12,340
All of these mysterious things fueled a
lot of conspiracy theories.

682
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,520
There's just no way you can hang
yourself off of a bunk bed at that

683
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,520
think we have found.

684
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:20,630
Jeffrey Epstein's killer. And it's the
most secure federal lockup in the United

685
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:23,470
States, and he got murdered in it. Who
has the power to do that?

686
00:53:27,610 --> 00:53:30,490
I've been studying conspiracy theories
for 15 years.

687
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:35,870
When I polled Americans asking them what
they thought about his death, half the

688
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:40,830
country thought it was a conspiracy,
that he was killed by people who were

689
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:43,670
trying to cover up their involvement
with him.

690
00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:46,110
And you don't normally get...

691
00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:50,570
Conspiracy theory is getting half the
country to buy in.

692
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:53,730
Yeah, I don't believe any conspiracy
theory, but the fact that he wanted to

693
00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:59,290
fight this case until the day before he
died says to me that it's unlikely he

694
00:53:59,290 --> 00:54:00,290
committed suicide.

695
00:54:02,350 --> 00:54:03,650
I believe he was murdered.

696
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:07,950
And if they do a real investigation and
they talk to the right people, they

697
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:10,030
could figure out what actually took
place.

698
00:54:12,450 --> 00:54:15,570
Do you believe that Epstein committed
suicide?

699
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:18,940
No. No, I just don't believe it.

700
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,360
No.

701
00:54:21,820 --> 00:54:25,100
He had only been there for a month.

702
00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:29,200
I just think it was too soon for him to
throw in the towel.

703
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,280
From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew,
no, I don't think he killed himself. I

704
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,098
just don't.

705
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:39,660
And I believe he always thought he was
going to get out of it.

706
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,600
He knew that he wasn't going to get the
slap on the wrist this time.

707
00:54:43,930 --> 00:54:49,810
Very damaging documents it indicates
came out two days before he changed his

708
00:54:49,810 --> 00:54:53,270
will. A lot of people think he might
have been killed.

709
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:55,890
Others think he killed himself.

710
00:54:56,670 --> 00:55:01,110
I really think he decided to take his
life. That was the last bit of control

711
00:55:01,110 --> 00:55:02,610
that he had.

712
00:55:04,590 --> 00:55:11,030
When I heard about that, I just, I was
heartbroken for these girls.

713
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,940
A federal judge has officially dismissed
the criminal case against Jeffrey

714
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:17,940
Epstein.

715
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:24,200
They have never gotten justice, and, you
know, they didn't deserve this.

716
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,680
I was going through my own feelings in
2019 when he died.

717
00:55:32,060 --> 00:55:35,580
He was kind of a mentor to me, but he
was also my abuser.

718
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,120
So it was a very confusing time for me,
and I wanted to know answers about my

719
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:45,240
life. So I reached out at that time to
other survivors and called Virginia.

720
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:48,160
I had my first conversation with her.

721
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:55,760
There's just something that she had in
her that I looked up to, and I really

722
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,660
thought was very brave.

723
00:56:03,340 --> 00:56:09,500
We are here in Loxahatchee Grows, which
is a rural part of Palm Beach County in

724
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:13,460
which Virginia Roberts Jafray grew up.

725
00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:16,920
Not terribly affluent.

726
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:25,100
I was recruited at a very young age from
Mar -a -Lago and entrapped in a world

727
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:28,560
that I didn't understand, and I've been
fighting that very world to this day,

728
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,000
and I won't stop fighting. I will never
be silenced.

729
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:37,980
And here we have Mar -a -Lago, President
Trump's private club.

730
00:56:39,540 --> 00:56:45,320
Virginia Dufresne was a spa attendant at
Mar -a -Lago, and Ghislaine Maxwell

731
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,480
used to go there for massages.

732
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,780
Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she
wanted to learn to be a masseuse and to

733
00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:55,980
to Epstein's house.

734
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:59,520
And that was where she suffered the
first abuse.

735
00:57:00,910 --> 00:57:02,750
Do you know Virginia Roberts?

736
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:05,770
Say again, who?

737
00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:07,090
Virginia Roberts.

738
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:09,550
Can you spell it?

739
00:57:10,990 --> 00:57:13,210
Common spelling. Can you spell it for
me, please?

740
00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:16,970
R -O -B -E -R -T -S.

741
00:57:17,590 --> 00:57:21,930
And just for the record, I can only
spell it the way that it was spelled in

742
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:23,750
flight logs from your airplane.

743
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,500
Virginia Roberts Dufresne was
instrumental in this story coming

744
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:36,500
She is the reason to a very large extent
that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine

745
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:42,760
Maxwell were even prosecuted because of
the trail of the public record that she

746
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,220
left in her civil lawsuits.

747
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:52,160
Virginia Dufresne was not only key in
exposing Jeffrey Epstein, you know, she.

748
00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:56,530
Named names of other people, such as
Prince Andrew.

749
00:57:57,590 --> 00:58:02,750
Abuse allegations that have been
plaguing the prince for years now laid

750
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:03,910
primetime TV.

751
00:58:04,350 --> 00:58:09,410
Virginia Roberts -Dewfree alleges Prince
Andrew first sexually abused her at Ms

752
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:10,950
Maxwell's London home.

753
00:58:11,290 --> 00:58:13,990
Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and
said, you're going to meet a prince

754
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:14,990
today.

755
00:58:15,330 --> 00:58:20,310
I didn't know at that point that I was
going to be trafficked to that prince.

756
00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:25,940
And Ghislaine said he's coming back to
the house and I want you to do for him

757
00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:27,320
what you do for Epstein.

758
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:33,360
One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia
Roberts, has made allegations against

759
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:46,060
It's been six years now since that
famous, infamous interview with Prince

760
00:58:46,060 --> 00:58:49,660
Andrew. Did you ever think that you
would still be talking about it now?

761
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,240
In a way, I wish the whole conversation
had started earlier.

762
00:58:53,720 --> 00:59:00,140
You know, we knew when we did it that it
had to be a document, a public record,

763
00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:01,600
in case it was ever useful.

764
00:59:03,980 --> 00:59:09,120
He was in the room when I arrived. He
looked ready for it.

765
00:59:09,820 --> 00:59:15,000
He looked like a man who had waited a
long time to kind of get it off his

766
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:19,600
frankly. There is no good time to talk
about.

767
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:21,190
Mr Epstein.

768
00:59:21,930 --> 00:59:28,750
My sense is that he thought he was his
own best weapon in terms of killing the

769
00:59:28,750 --> 00:59:29,589
story dead.

770
00:59:29,590 --> 00:59:36,250
She says she met you in 2001 and she
went on to have sex with you in a

771
00:59:36,250 --> 00:59:39,510
house in Belgravia belonging to
Ghislaine Maxwell.

772
00:59:39,870 --> 00:59:40,870
Didn't happen.

773
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:43,010
Do you remember her?

774
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:47,470
No. He tried to tell me that it was a
fake photo.

775
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:54,540
We can't be certain as to whether or not
that's my hand on her, whatever it is,

776
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:55,700
left side.

777
00:59:56,340 --> 00:59:59,480
He'd worked out his alibi.

778
00:59:59,940 --> 01:00:06,040
I'd taken Beatrice to a pizza express in
Woking.

779
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:08,580
His team had thought it had gone pretty
well.

780
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,220
Britain's Prince Andrew is facing
backlash after a widely criticised

781
01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:17,780
interview. One UK paper calling the
Prince entitled and obtuse.

782
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:22,680
Four days after Newsnight broadcast its
interview with Prince Andrew, he's made

783
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:23,680
this announcement.

784
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,120
I have asked Her Majesty if I may step
back from public duties for the

785
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,580
foreseeable future, and she has given
her permission.

786
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:37,340
The interview that he gave the BBC, that
was beyond

787
01:00:37,340 --> 01:00:38,340
disingenuous.

788
01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:45,630
He started his slow decline to
ultimately being stripped of his

789
01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:49,650
And I think that that was the beginning
of the end.

790
01:00:50,350 --> 01:00:53,570
It's an eye for an eye, a scar for a
scar.

791
01:00:56,730 --> 01:01:01,050
No matter how much I go through therapy,
I'm embedded with scars that will never

792
01:01:01,050 --> 01:01:02,050
leave me, ever.

793
01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:13,170
Regina Giuffre was also instrumental to
the downfall of the other person in that

794
01:01:13,170 --> 01:01:14,570
photograph, Ghislaine Maxwell.

795
01:01:16,510 --> 01:01:21,750
In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced
to 20 years in prison for sex

796
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:22,910
trafficking and other crimes.

797
01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:31,890
But there was a growing public outrage
that she was the only person to face

798
01:01:31,890 --> 01:01:34,230
consequences in the Epstein scandal.

799
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:36,750
People were asking, what about the men?

800
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:44,060
No one had brought charges, and this was
across Republican and Democratic

801
01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:45,520
administrations.

802
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:55,200
When and how did concerns about
Epstein's crimes start spilling over

803
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,760
territory of the public really wanting
to see the files?

804
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,200
Donald Trump really was the one who
prompted that.

805
01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:07,340
Then he.

806
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,560
got to be embroiled in it himself.

807
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,740
Donald Trump's name is all over these
files.

808
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,760
Flight logs show Trump traveled on
Epstein's private jet many more times

809
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:20,880
prosecutors were aware.

810
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,040
Have you ever had a personal
relationship with Donald Trump?

811
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,160
What do you mean by personal
relationships?

812
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:32,360
Have you socialized with him?

813
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,520
Yes, sir. Yes?

814
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:35,780
Yes, sir.

815
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:42,900
Have you ever socialized with Donald
Trump in the presence of females under

816
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:43,900
age of 18?

817
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,920
Though I'd like to answer that question,
at least today, I'm going to have to

818
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,960
assert my 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendment
rights.

819
01:02:57,780 --> 01:03:02,580
It's indisputable that Trump had a long
-term friendship with Epstein.

820
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,600
He told the world about it.

821
01:03:04,860 --> 01:03:07,640
People think Jeffrey Epstein is a
terrific guy.

822
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,880
Well, I knew him like everybody in Palm
Beach knew him. I mean, people in Palm

823
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,240
Beach knew him. He was a fixture in Palm
Beach.

824
01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:20,480
There was the infamous interview where
he called Epstein a great guy, likes

825
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,340
women on the younger side.

826
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:29,800
Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book in
2003 has a drawing of a

827
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,720
nude female figure with Trump's name on
it.

828
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:38,580
He denies that it's his signature. We
have multiple handwriting experts saying

829
01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:39,580
that it is.

830
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,400
I don't do drawings.

831
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,100
I'm not a drawing person.

832
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:49,620
The fact that he had such a long
personal friendship with Epstein raises

833
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:53,220
questions about what he knew about
Epstein's behavior.

834
01:03:53,740 --> 01:03:57,260
I had a falling out with him a long time
ago. I don't think I've spoken to him

835
01:03:57,260 --> 01:03:59,300
for 15 years. I wasn't a fan.

836
01:04:00,620 --> 01:04:04,720
When do you think it was that the
Epstein files actually started becoming

837
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,340
problem for President Trump?

838
01:04:06,580 --> 01:04:11,460
I think it became a problem soon after
he assumed office again.

839
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,520
We are going to drain the swamp and
we're going to do it once and for all.

840
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:21,040
to his reelection, he had been asked
point blank, would you support releasing

841
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,040
the files?

842
01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:23,920
Would you declassify the Epstein files?

843
01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:29,780
Yeah, yeah, I would. And many of the
people around him, they said yes.

844
01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:33,560
Seriously, we need to release the
Epstein list. That is an important

845
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:40,240
How is it that my father can be
convicted of 34 crimes, but no one on

846
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,760
list has even been brought to light? So
this was a campaign promise that they

847
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,400
had made to their supporters.

848
01:04:48,190 --> 01:04:50,330
Look into her father, Robert Maxwell.

849
01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:54,170
Yeah. All the answers are right there.
Because he was a spy. Trump built a

850
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:59,210
coalition of followers who are very
conspiratorial in their worldviews and

851
01:04:59,210 --> 01:05:02,110
already Epstein conspiracy theorists.

852
01:05:02,890 --> 01:05:06,110
You don't know that she's 16 and she
takes you in a room and that room is

853
01:05:06,110 --> 01:05:07,110
with cameras.

854
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:14,700
Blackmail. Yeah. So there were fantasies
about massive sex trafficking rings,

855
01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:19,580
views about blackmail rings, and that
Epstein was controlling all sorts of

856
01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:20,580
and powerful people.

857
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:24,340
I believe very strongly he was a spy,
yes. And who do you think he was working

858
01:05:24,340 --> 01:05:25,340
for? The Israelis.

859
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:31,520
Trump cozied up to QAnon, and it created
a lore around him that he was bringing

860
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,740
down these evil, powerful people because
the establishment was entirely corrupt.

861
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,580
And he was the outsider who was going to
come in and drain the swamp.

862
01:05:48,500 --> 01:05:54,080
So early in Trump's second term, he
appoints Pam Bondi as attorney general,

863
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,880
she runs with the Epstein story almost
immediately.

864
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:03,260
This is something Donald Trump has
talked about. The DOJ may be releasing

865
01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:05,100
list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

866
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,740
In February of 2025,

867
01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:15,000
Bondi goes out and says that she has the
Epstein files and the client list on

868
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,000
her desk.

869
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,460
It's sitting on my desk right now to
review.

870
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,680
That's been a directive by President
Trump. Then there's a 180 degree

871
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,300
There's the release of the July memo.

872
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,620
From the FBI and the Department of
Justice, and the July memo says an

873
01:06:33,620 --> 01:06:38,780
extraordinary thing. It says that there
are more than 1 ,000 survivors of

874
01:06:38,780 --> 01:06:43,420
Jeffrey Epstein's abuse, and then says
there's nothing to investigate, there's

875
01:06:43,420 --> 01:06:44,760
nothing to release.

876
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:46,480
Turn the other way.

877
01:06:47,790 --> 01:06:52,090
There was, quote, no client list or
evidence that he blackmailed prominent

878
01:06:52,090 --> 01:06:54,710
figures, according to a memo detailing
the finding.

879
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:59,750
The review also concluded that Epstein
died by suicide while in custody at a

880
01:06:59,750 --> 01:07:04,430
Manhattan correctional facility. That
memo just sent shockwaves throughout the

881
01:07:04,430 --> 01:07:08,770
American ether, especially with the MAGA
base, who was so invested.

882
01:07:09,110 --> 01:07:11,750
All those videos are saying, yeah, she's
seen the videos. It's all coming out.

883
01:07:11,810 --> 01:07:13,450
And then now it doesn't exist. I mean,
what?

884
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:17,010
What? Joe, check the tweet that Elon
just put out.

885
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,180
Time to drop the really big bomb. Donald
Trump is in the Epstein files.

886
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,960
That's the real reason they have not
been made public. The Jeffrey Epstein

887
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,960
has caused backlash within President
Trump's base, fueling conspiracy

888
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,260
that more details exist but are being
hidden from the public.

889
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,060
I'm not going to play with these
anymore.

890
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,840
MAGA hats are off.

891
01:07:43,900 --> 01:07:45,000
Burn, baby, burn.

892
01:07:46,030 --> 01:07:49,110
And this is a great representation of
what's left of MAGA.

893
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:53,890
I think the president always felt like
he could control his MAGA base.

894
01:07:54,110 --> 01:07:59,070
But it's the influencers who have also
really kept this story alive and have

895
01:07:59,070 --> 01:08:03,070
been very critical of him. We voted for
Trump because we wanted justice. And

896
01:08:03,070 --> 01:08:06,770
justice involves actually holding
accountable the people who committed

897
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:09,810
wrongdoing. I can't reconcile this
Donald Trump.

898
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,260
With the Trump that I voted for across
multiple elections, the Epstein scandal

899
01:08:14,260 --> 01:08:17,880
is definitely terminal cancer to Trump's
MAGA movement. There's no question

900
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,240
about that. It just continued and
continued.

901
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:24,979
And the president himself kept calling
it a hoax. Well, I haven't been overly

902
01:08:24,979 --> 01:08:28,660
interested in it. You know, it's
something, it's a hoax that's been built

903
01:08:29,149 --> 01:08:30,149
Way beyond proportion.

904
01:08:30,250 --> 01:08:32,410
I know it's a hoax. It's started by
Democrats.

905
01:08:32,790 --> 01:08:35,930
When you call something a hoax and yet
people know that there's a tremendous

906
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:39,390
amount of evidence out there that it's
not a hoax, it makes them only want to

907
01:08:39,390 --> 01:08:40,390
know more about it.

908
01:08:40,510 --> 01:08:44,630
The president writing on social media,
my past supporters have bought into the

909
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:48,529
BS hook line and thinker. Let these
weaklings continue forward and do the

910
01:08:48,529 --> 01:08:51,149
Democrats work because I don't want
their support anymore.

911
01:08:52,109 --> 01:08:57,109
Some stupid Republicans and foolish
Republicans fall into the net. I call it

912
01:08:57,109 --> 01:08:58,109
Epstein hoax.

913
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:02,859
Hello. Hi.

914
01:09:03,620 --> 01:09:07,899
Marjorie. Yes, hello. Hi, I'm Grace
Tobin. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet

915
01:09:07,899 --> 01:09:10,500
too. Grab a seat under this big fall
light.

916
01:09:10,779 --> 01:09:13,479
Yeah, that's quite a light. I know,
isn't it? Oh my gosh, yeah.

917
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:19,720
Do you think that they supported the
losing heart and losing trust in

918
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,220
Trump now because of the Epstein files?

919
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,760
Many of them, yes. It was a line in the
sand for them.

920
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,460
They couldn't understand it the same way
I couldn't understand it. Why would he

921
01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:31,460
cover this up?

922
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:38,540
And that was something that none of us
ever expected from President

923
01:09:38,540 --> 01:09:39,540
Trump.

924
01:09:46,819 --> 01:09:50,420
I'm Rick Fraser, and I presently live in
St. Mary's, Ohio.

925
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:51,920
It's good.

926
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,240
Strong.

927
01:09:55,470 --> 01:10:01,110
I'm a front -row Joe, and I'd show up
five, six days ahead of time to one of

928
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:02,110
rallies.

929
01:10:03,570 --> 01:10:06,650
I still worked hard to help Trump, you
know, get elected.

930
01:10:08,590 --> 01:10:14,230
But being honest with you, it pisses me
off that, if I can use that language,

931
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:19,510
that on one hand, we were promised by
the president that this is going to

932
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:20,510
happen.

933
01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:22,290
Then on the other hand...

934
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,860
He turns around and it didn't happen.

935
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,040
I can't see why he, who is protecting
me.

936
01:10:29,580 --> 01:10:32,120
I honestly, in my mind, don't think he's
involved.

937
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:37,540
You can be in pictures with anyone, but
until we got transparency, how do we

938
01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:38,540
know?

939
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,440
There is new pressure on the Trump
administration from Republicans looking

940
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:52,800
the Jeffrey Epstein case. Donald Trump
is aimed at one of his own, Republican

941
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,380
Congressman Thomas Massey.

942
01:10:55,060 --> 01:11:00,640
This moron, Thomas Massey, there's
something wrong with him.

943
01:11:05,540 --> 01:11:10,740
When did you first start becoming
concerned about what's now known as the

944
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:11,740
Epstein files?

945
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:17,500
So it started a couple years ago for me,
and it really came to the forefront

946
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:22,180
when President Trump and people in his
cabinet promised that they were going to

947
01:11:22,180 --> 01:11:23,180
release these files.

948
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:28,360
But none of them followed through on
their promise, which became suspicious

949
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:29,360
me.

950
01:11:29,660 --> 01:11:34,920
My Democrat colleague, Ro Khanna from
California, cares about the victims.

951
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:39,200
And so I reached out to him and said,
Ro.

952
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:45,980
if I do a discharge petition, do you
think you could get every single

953
01:11:45,980 --> 01:11:48,120
to sign it?

954
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:51,260
And he did deliver on that promise.

955
01:11:52,679 --> 01:11:57,280
Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican Thomas
Massey are leading a bipartisan push in

956
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,060
the House for the release of the Epstein
files.

957
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:04,560
People feel that the rich and the
powerful have been not held accountable,

958
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,240
they have a different set of rules, and
that there may be government officials

959
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:13,680
involved. Thomas Massey just filed a
discharge petition to force this vote on

960
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,800
releasing the files. That's something
that Speaker Mike Johnson has really

961
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:18,800
trying to avoid.

962
01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:23,620
The White House has warned Republicans
not to side with Massey, even a White

963
01:12:23,620 --> 01:12:27,060
House official telling reporters last
night that this would be viewed as an

964
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:28,060
of hostility.

965
01:12:32,940 --> 01:12:39,040
Well, I have a 98 percent voting record
with the president, was one of his most

966
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,040
loyal defenders.

967
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,980
Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up.
Come.

968
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:51,230
Mr. President. All right. Georgia, we
know what we're going to do in 2024.

969
01:12:51,850 --> 01:12:57,610
He was angry at me for siding with
Thomas Massey and signing on the

970
01:12:57,610 --> 01:13:01,990
petition. To me, it was a matter of
right and wrong and standing up for

971
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:07,450
women. The greatest president in United
States history, Donald J. Trump. Right,

972
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:08,590
Georgia?

973
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:15,930
Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's the female
version of Donald Trump. She was full

974
01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:16,930
-blood MAGA.

975
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:22,120
So for her to be one of the people to
stand up against him is very significant

976
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,700
in American politics.

977
01:13:24,620 --> 01:13:27,500
He was losing control of the situation.

978
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:35,280
When you signed that discharge petition,
afterwards you took a phone call with

979
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:36,280
President Trump.

980
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,940
He said that it was going to hurt
people, that he knew. What people?

981
01:13:41,380 --> 01:13:44,640
I don't know. I still don't know that to
this day.

982
01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:49,180
But the way he treated me and the names
that he called me sent death threats

983
01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:51,040
upon me and then my children.

984
01:13:57,700 --> 01:14:02,840
This is my fifth year in Congress, and
this is the largest press conference

985
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,340
I've seen since I've been here.

986
01:14:04,740 --> 01:14:09,420
As people like Marjorie Keller Greene
started getting involved, the snowball

987
01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:10,420
started rolling.

988
01:14:11,260 --> 01:14:16,520
This is not about politics. This is a
boiling point in American history.

989
01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:21,440
We see some very effective advocacy on
behalf of the victims themselves.

990
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,200
Why did he get away with it in 2008?

991
01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:27,160
Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected?

992
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,660
Why was Maxwell the only one held
accountable when so many others played a

993
01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:33,360
Let the public know the truth.

994
01:14:34,830 --> 01:14:39,430
I speak today not only in service of my
own recovery, but to honour the lives,

995
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:46,090
the courage and sacrifices of Virginia
Dufresne and others who could not

996
01:14:46,090 --> 01:14:47,090
continue.

997
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:53,510
Victims of the convicted sex offender
Jeffrey Epstein have paid tribute to

998
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:56,270
Virginia Dufresne at a rally in
Washington, D .C.

999
01:14:56,970 --> 01:14:59,610
She took her own life in April this
year.

1000
01:15:00,970 --> 01:15:03,490
It made me very sad when she passed.

1001
01:15:04,380 --> 01:15:09,700
This sort of damage, you can stuff it
down for years and years, but the

1002
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:10,880
will always catch up.

1003
01:15:11,980 --> 01:15:13,960
Virginia said it best, and I quote,

1004
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,080
They say time can heal, but this won't.

1005
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:21,160
Not until the justice system makes an
example out of these people with so

1006
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,160
-called privileges.

1007
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:23,640
I just call it money.

1008
01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:25,780
People believe her now.

1009
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:27,800
I mean, she won.

1010
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:30,380
In a sad way.

1011
01:15:36,810 --> 01:15:42,490
So we gather here the steps of the
Capitol to confront these corrupt

1012
01:15:43,950 --> 01:15:50,190
We know we have 212 Democrats, and we
have four Republicans, courageous

1013
01:15:50,190 --> 01:15:55,630
Republicans. The only supporters that I
got for my discharge petition on the

1014
01:15:55,630 --> 01:15:57,530
Republican side of the aisle were all
women.

1015
01:15:58,310 --> 01:16:01,670
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert,
and Nancy Mace.

1016
01:16:03,370 --> 01:16:08,490
Woken up at 5 a .m. in the morning with
the president saying, F this, F that.

1017
01:16:08,770 --> 01:16:11,070
Get your effing name off of this thing.

1018
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:14,450
But to their credit, all three of those
women stayed strong.

1019
01:16:16,270 --> 01:16:22,890
There was a time when few believed that
they would actually be able to get the

1020
01:16:22,890 --> 01:16:24,210
passage of these files.

1021
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:30,870
And it was only after it became very
clear that Trump was going to lose on

1022
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:31,970
vote, then...

1023
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:34,970
Finally, he claimed to support it.

1024
01:16:36,150 --> 01:16:42,650
We've done a great job, and I hate to
see that deflect from the great job

1025
01:16:42,650 --> 01:16:49,110
done. So I'm all for it. What eventually
happened was a nearly unanimous vote.

1026
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:52,370
The yeas are 427.

1027
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:54,470
The nays are one.

1028
01:16:54,770 --> 01:17:00,150
The bill is passed, and without
objection, the motion to reconsider is

1029
01:17:00,150 --> 01:17:01,150
the table.

1030
01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:09,360
Mr. Speaker, today's an extraordinary
day in this chamber.

1031
01:17:09,660 --> 01:17:16,640
This is about the powerless taking power
away from the very

1032
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:17,640
powerful.

1033
01:17:18,340 --> 01:17:23,060
When Trump backflipped on it, the
survivors won.

1034
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,720
The Senate has passed the bill under
unanimous.

1035
01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:36,220
The bill forces the Justice Department
to release Epstein -filed documents

1036
01:17:36,220 --> 01:17:37,620
within 30 days.

1037
01:17:57,220 --> 01:18:02,380
Once the Epstein -Files Transparency Act
became law, There was a deadline,

1038
01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:06,240
December 19th, for the release of
everything.

1039
01:18:06,740 --> 01:18:10,160
Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch
says, however, several hundred thousand

1040
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,560
pages of records will be made public,
with more to come in the coming weeks.

1041
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:15,760
Hundreds of thousands.

1042
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,500
I could sit at home and just stay on the
couch and not be involved, but being

1043
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:22,860
here is just the historic.

1044
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:28,340
We have a few hours till we find out.
We're talking about a ton of information

1045
01:18:28,340 --> 01:18:30,920
that may take some time just to process.

1046
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:36,940
The Justice Department has now begun the
release of the Epstein files.

1047
01:18:38,460 --> 01:18:44,220
The first release was a blip on the
radar, not even that.

1048
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:49,520
There was a picture of Bill Clinton.
There was very little about Donald

1049
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,780
It was widely regarded to have few major
revelations.

1050
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:01,520
At least 550 pages were fully redacted.
We have just a fraction right now of

1051
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,640
what is believed to exist.

1052
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,880
It failed in our book. We haven't
received full transparency, and it's an

1053
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,440
incomplete release of the files.

1054
01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:12,040
That must be his prison cell.

1055
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:18,220
I'm pretty disappointed since we were
told transparency, and we're not really

1056
01:19:18,220 --> 01:19:19,220
seeing it.

1057
01:19:19,370 --> 01:19:22,990
And if that's the best they're going to
do, I don't think we're ever going to

1058
01:19:22,990 --> 01:19:23,990
get to the truth.

1059
01:19:26,350 --> 01:19:28,890
This was a slap in the face of
survivors.

1060
01:19:29,190 --> 01:19:32,030
They're flouting the spirit and the
letter of the law.

1061
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:36,730
People kept trying to push for the
release of the files.

1062
01:19:36,970 --> 01:19:43,270
And six weeks later, all of a sudden, 3
.5 million documents hit the public.

1063
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:51,960
Three million pages of documents, 180
,000 images and 2 ,000 videos. The

1064
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:56,560
release of files related to the
paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking

1065
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,100
size and its content.

1066
01:19:58,580 --> 01:20:04,160
Of the 180 ,000 images released, these
pictures of the king's brother seem to

1067
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:05,460
what everyone is talking about.

1068
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,780
Police are assessing claims Andrew
Mountbatten -Windsor shared confidential

1069
01:20:10,780 --> 01:20:13,080
reports with Jeffrey Epstein.

1070
01:20:13,870 --> 01:20:18,050
All of a sudden, there are global
investigations in Europe.

1071
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:22,990
Active investigations are now underway
in at least 10 countries.

1072
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:28,230
Poland has launched a probe into the
Epstein files in a search of any

1073
01:20:28,230 --> 01:20:29,850
victims from that country.

1074
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:33,970
In Europe, the former prime minister of
Norway has been charged with gross

1075
01:20:33,970 --> 01:20:37,570
corruption. Poland's prime minister also
says his country would investigate

1076
01:20:37,570 --> 01:20:41,250
possible links between the convicted sex
offender and Russian intelligence

1077
01:20:41,250 --> 01:20:42,250
services.

1078
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:47,040
The people who maintained a friendship
with Epstein, communications that they

1079
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:51,600
thought were private are now filling the
pages of newspapers internationally.

1080
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:57,740
My gosh, was this embarrassing. Can we
start with Peter Attia?

1081
01:20:58,140 --> 01:21:03,020
Elon Musk spent the entirety of last
year saying, I refuse to go to the

1082
01:21:03,100 --> 01:21:04,079
I refuse.

1083
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,660
And then the emails come out where he
says, when's the wildest party? When can

1084
01:21:07,660 --> 01:21:11,400
come to your island? Good Lord. Another
very prominent person caught up in all

1085
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:15,860
this is Bill Gates, of course, claims
that he picked up a sexually transmitted

1086
01:21:15,860 --> 01:21:19,640
disease from a Russian woman. He's
denied that publicly.

1087
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,700
We have this footage where Steve Bannon
is interviewing Epstein to try to

1088
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:26,500
rehabilitate Epstein's image.

1089
01:21:27,130 --> 01:21:31,390
At the same time people are making sense
of the 3 .5 million files, there's

1090
01:21:31,390 --> 01:21:36,790
Congress, who is continuing to
investigate this and continuing to call

1091
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:39,730
witnesses, including the Attorney
General.

1092
01:21:44,830 --> 01:21:48,250
All right, getting back to our breaking
news, Attorney General Pam Bondi is set

1093
01:21:48,250 --> 01:21:51,370
to testify before the House Judiciary
Committee at any moment now.

1094
01:21:51,890 --> 01:21:55,850
Survivors say their identities were
exposed because of inadequate redaction.

1095
01:21:57,550 --> 01:21:59,370
Well, right now we're heading over to
the Capitol.

1096
01:21:59,590 --> 01:22:03,150
I have a meeting with Congressman Lou
Correa.

1097
01:22:04,050 --> 01:22:08,290
After that, we'll be heading over to Pam
Bondi's hearing.

1098
01:22:18,010 --> 01:22:22,110
We have Congress working on our side
and, you know, they want answers just as

1099
01:22:22,110 --> 01:22:23,110
much as we do.

1100
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:27,270
Hi, Lisa.

1101
01:22:27,610 --> 01:22:29,470
Nice to meet you. Pleasure meeting you.
Come on in.

1102
01:22:29,710 --> 01:22:33,670
We have a camera guy following us. Oh,
my. I should have put on my tie on.

1103
01:22:40,090 --> 01:22:44,190
I want to take a moment to acknowledge
the Epstein survivors who are here

1104
01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:50,570
I am deeply sorry for what any victim,
any victim has been through.

1105
01:22:51,370 --> 01:22:57,950
Attorney General Bondi, will you turn to
them now and apologize for what

1106
01:22:57,950 --> 01:23:03,990
your Department of Justice has put them
through with the absolutely unacceptable

1107
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:07,810
release of the Epstein files and their
information?

1108
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:18,030
I was pretty

1109
01:23:18,030 --> 01:23:19,030
shocked.

1110
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,880
That she just didn't even turn her head,
just not even a little bit, just to

1111
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:23,880
acknowledge.

1112
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:28,500
It doesn't even have to be an apology,
but to acknowledge that we were there

1113
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:30,220
that we represent 1 ,200 survivors.

1114
01:23:33,020 --> 01:23:38,780
To my right is an email that was sent by
the victim's lawyers to the DOJ. It was

1115
01:23:38,780 --> 01:23:40,400
a list of names not to release.

1116
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:43,120
They released this email.

1117
01:23:43,460 --> 01:23:47,640
Literally the worst thing you could do
to the survivors, you did.

1118
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:52,040
And we know you touched the document
because you redacted the lawyer's name,

1119
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:53,720
you left the survivor's name there.

1120
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,700
So I really have just one question for
you.

1121
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,960
How many of Epstein's co -conspirators
have you indicted?

1122
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,560
How many perpetrators are you even
investigating?

1123
01:24:04,780 --> 01:24:10,400
First, you showed it. I find it. How
many have you indicted? Excuse me. I'm

1124
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,760
going to answer the question. Answer my
question. No, I'm going to answer the

1125
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,600
question the way I want to answer the
question. No, you're going to answer the

1126
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:17,600
question the way I asked it.

1127
01:24:21,550 --> 01:24:26,530
I really got to see, like, in the flesh,
in person, like, wow.

1128
01:24:28,050 --> 01:24:31,730
They really are turning a blind eye to
this for whatever reason.

1129
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:36,290
And it only makes you think that there's
got to be a real reason why, right?

1130
01:24:51,820 --> 01:24:57,120
Are you looking at the reaction in
Europe and the UK and other parts of the

1131
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,760
world and scratching your head with
what's going on here?

1132
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,720
Yes. I see a different attitude
overseas.

1133
01:25:04,260 --> 01:25:07,860
The untouchables are touchable now.

1134
01:25:08,650 --> 01:25:13,210
Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten
-Windsor. The BBC understands that he

1135
01:25:13,210 --> 01:25:17,070
been arrested on suspicion of misconduct
in public office.

1136
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:21,210
It comes weeks after the Justice
Department released emails Andrew

1137
01:25:21,210 --> 01:25:24,630
sent to the late sex offender Jeffrey
Epstein in 2010.

1138
01:25:26,150 --> 01:25:32,350
I think for several years we'd always
imagined that it could come to this

1139
01:25:32,350 --> 01:25:37,330
and he was arrested and I still found
myself absolutely speechless for the

1140
01:25:37,330 --> 01:25:38,330
couple of hours.

1141
01:25:38,530 --> 01:25:42,770
Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy
at the time and appears to have

1142
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:45,630
Epstein British government documents on
trade policy.

1143
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:48,790
But this wasn't the story that we were
following at all. This was something

1144
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:49,790
completely different.

1145
01:25:49,870 --> 01:25:55,310
Now, Peter Mandelson, who was the UK
ambassador to the US, has also now been

1146
01:25:55,310 --> 01:25:59,170
arrested. And, you know, it's
fascinating to see how far this chain

1147
01:25:59,750 --> 01:26:01,570
We are probably only at the very
beginning.

1148
01:26:02,860 --> 01:26:07,600
Over two dozen people have resigned,
CEOs, members of government, worldwide.

1149
01:26:08,180 --> 01:26:13,360
But I haven't seen any arrests or
investigations here in the United States

1150
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,840
this Department of Justice.

1151
01:26:15,660 --> 01:26:21,680
As an American journalist looking at
everything happening in Europe, this is

1152
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,400
sophisticated democracies react to
alarming information.

1153
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:26,640
They investigate.

1154
01:26:26,740 --> 01:26:30,980
I have nothing to hide. I've been
exonerated. I have nothing to do with

1155
01:26:30,980 --> 01:26:36,390
Epstein. What we're seeing in the United
States is Trump's Justice Department

1156
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:41,350
trying to say that there is nothing to
see here. Is there evidence that Jeffrey

1157
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:46,570
Epstein was trafficking girls to other
powerful men? According to the

1158
01:26:46,570 --> 01:26:50,030
Press' review of the files, the FBI says
no.

1159
01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:57,170
In regards to the sex trafficking and
the abuse, do you personally know of

1160
01:26:57,170 --> 01:26:58,650
evidence that exists?

1161
01:26:59,390 --> 01:27:04,190
within the Department of Justice, within
the FBI, that has not come out yet?

1162
01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:05,910
I do.

1163
01:27:06,530 --> 01:27:07,530
I do.

1164
01:27:11,650 --> 01:27:17,410
You know, when you have different girls
telling the same stories, cooperating

1165
01:27:17,410 --> 01:27:21,810
with each other, that's powerful, really
powerful.

1166
01:27:22,210 --> 01:27:28,230
So, and again, I think we have to
believe victims and survivors of this

1167
01:27:28,230 --> 01:27:29,230
thing.

1168
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:36,250
I know of people that girls were traded
out to that have not come out.

1169
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:46,230
I tend to believe that this story is
going to outlive me because it's filled

1170
01:27:46,230 --> 01:27:49,590
with so many mysteries, things people
don't know.

1171
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:57,950
We don't know the depth of the cover -up
yet, but I think this will eventually

1172
01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:59,570
rank up there with...

1173
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:01,500
Watergate.

1174
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:06,760
Hopefully, the American public is going
to continue to care about this story and

1175
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,160
continue to demand that we get all of
the answers.

1176
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,880
We're done laying down and being quiet.

1177
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:17,240
Now we're screaming in public.

1178
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,920
It's a serious question. I'm sorry. Do
you think you're the devil himself?

1179
01:28:23,580 --> 01:28:24,900
I don't know. Why would you say that?

1180
01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:28,680
Because you have all the attributes.
You're incredibly smart. You remember

1181
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,300
devil is somebody who knows what? The
devil's brilliant.

1182
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:37,600
Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of
evil. Very polished, wealthy, well

1183
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,560
-spoken, very intelligent man.

1184
01:28:40,460 --> 01:28:43,780
And he used all of that for evil.

1185
01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:51,260
We do not do this story justice if we
think it starts and ends with Epstein.

1186
01:28:51,260 --> 01:28:54,420
course it doesn't. There is so much
further.

1187
01:28:54,970 --> 01:28:55,970
To go.